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If vegas dosent get additional water within 7 years , there expansion will cease , Ill tell You 'if economys dont expand they die' what a predicament.

99% of mankinds failures stem from greed and ignorance.

I read an obituary about a loving faithful father who passed on. He was a blessing and the world took a loss by his death. Everyone he came in contact with he blessed.

Well I knew the guy others new him as a selfcentered azzhole, greedy selfish bastard. Self centered and rood.

United we stand, ! my azzzzz.

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/48254.html

read the article , plain blatant power struggle over greed

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I don't think I have to tell you that the water would go a lot farther if people actually try conserving it. It has gotten better over the years but people still waste so much water.

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They have actually had great success, with a rebate here in Vegas of turning in yards of grass for dollars to the water dept.

Overall consumption has dropped some 20-30% from what I know.

Casinos make water flow uphill.

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When TSHTF Las Vegas will be goneeeeeeeeee, the only way that they can get supply is by trucks and those on the roads will never make there there with a full load, if any.

You must remember that nowhere around Las Vegas is food produced and every thing has to be imported.

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Well I remeber like 10 years ago nearly every house has grass. That was insane. Theres still a lot of idiots with all grass lawns and stuff but its better. We still have some big casinos that waste a ton. And we still have the golf courses. The number of gold courses here in las vegas is insane.

I thought we had a lot of farms out in the desert here. I think its mostly small farms though.

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Vegas is pretty brown out side of town if I remember a fly over a couple of years back.

There is plenty of water if the Grand Coolie dam is still doing its job. Trucks won't have to go thru mountains or anything. I never lived there or even visited but I think the Colorado river supplies the big lake.

Vegas could be ground zero for abandoned property if EMP or some grid problem developed.

E-A

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I think water is the last of our worries for expansion currently. Vegas is almost out of land for further expansion unless they want to start building up.

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Roof collection has worked in deserts for thousands of years. You just have to have the storage to last between the few, but often heavy rains.

You can store enough to drink, shower, wash clothes and dishes, and water a garden, but not grass or a flush toilet. You need a composting toilet.

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going to go out to white pine county there and buy some land, when lake mead dries up or vegas runs out of water I will sell them my land to drill on for water for a few million.

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They already are building them up sides of mountains and stuff. Actually I live right on the side of a mountain and they want to keep going up, all the way to the top of the mountain. They won't let them blast away the rock though because the houses are so close.

They are also building houses way down in the low laying area near the wash too. Its totally unsuitable for housing and its going to flood. I know its going to flood, anyone looking at it knows it going to flood. They still built them there though.

They don't care, their nuts. It doesn't matter whats in their way they are going to build on it. 20 years from now their will be houses on top of the old nuclear testing site.

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It's silly statements like this that just slay me. Excuse me Alric, but we live in an 'enclosed environment'. Understand me clearly. UNTIL WATER IS STARTING TO BE TAKEN FROM THIS PLANET there is just as much water NOW as there was 100 years ago or a 1000 years ago. Some of it might no longer be frozen. Some of it might NOT be in the ground as an aquifer.

But your statement is FALSE. There is EXACTLY the same amount of water as we have ALWAYS HAD. Period. End of story.

That some people are attempting to turn a desert into a 'paradise' is indeed extremely silly. Some, such as yourself would even call it wasteful. I won't even go there.

Water distribution (read control) WILL become a key issue in the coming years. The UN already has a plan in place to start attaching meters to ALL wells on EVERYONES property so you will be TAXED on the amount of water you use.

It's just another misdirection as TPTB attempt to continue to control every aspect of our lives.

Wasting water? HOW? Do we shoot it out into space, never to be seen again? Water is used. Regardless of how, it is then 'recycled' on this planet in different areas and in different forms (snow, rain, ground water, etc). BUT WASTED? Not happening. Not now at least.

Even the space shuttle brings back all it's waste that is 'processed'. So even the water we currently take into space, we bring back. It would not surprise me to hear that they occasionally purge a waste system, but that amount would be about the ONLY WAY we were 'wasting' anything to do with water.

Stop believing all the greenies and take a hard scientific look at our 'water problem'.

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Rather myopic in view.

Try this: run your garden hose out to the street and let it flow. Your not using it, or "wasting" it, so don't pay for it.

We are limited in useful, easily accessible water. Conservation, and proper use of clean water is everybody's responsibility. Your garden hose running 24/7 into the gutter is waste.

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[quote]Originally Posted by Alric http://goldismoney.info/forums/image...s/viewpost.gif
I don't think I have to tell you that the water would go a lot farther if people actually try conserving it. It has gotten better over the years but people still waste so much water.

WTF are you smoking W?

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Wallew , are you the ultra-conservative type that believes in corporate greed and profit over the environment at all costs.? If it weren't for "Greenies" ( I'm not one, but I respect them) businesses would still be dumping their waste and chemicals into lakes and rivers.

It's obvious that the world always has the same amount of water. But once "wasted", especially in places like Vegas, it's not easy to get it back.

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I can confirm this. They are already installing water meters on new wells on acreages and farms out here in Alberta.

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That is totally wrong wallew. We do not live in an 'enclosed environment', we live in an enclosed planet. So its entirely possible to waste the water you have in your set area.

You only have so much water at a set time in a set area. If your decide to use that water to just spray it into the street your wasting it.

You can argue untill your blue in the face. If you live some where and the well runs dry or the lake disappears, there is no water. Who cares if it will rain some where else in the country? You have no water, its gone. I am guessing you never had to conserve water, because if you did you would know its entirely possible to run out.

So now that we have proven you can waste water on a local scale, we can say the same thing on a global scale. Yes you can waste water on a global scale. Its called poluation and while the amount of water may not change the amount of drinkable water surely does.

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Actually no, it's NOT a myopic view. And YOU don't get to define WASTE. Sorry, that's NOT your job. It's NOT my job.

Kindly explain how would the water be WASTED? It runs down the drains to the local streams. From there it goes into a local lake. Where it is used by everyone. Flora use it. Fauna drink it. Humans draw from that lake to process and reuse it. We also use that lake for recreation. We use that lake to fish in and occasionally we actually get lucky and pull FOOD from that lake. All from that 'wasted' water.

You REALLY need to get a grip. The only WASTE might be the money I would pay. But if I WANTED to pay it, tell me again WHERE the waste is? Here in Denver, for two years running the city water department told us we had to 'conserve' because water levels were low. Well that's what we all did. For TWO YEARS we didn't use nearly as much water as had been used for the previous ten years. The result? The water department went to the PUC and requested a RATE INCREASE! And the reason they said they NEEDED to INCREASE OUR RATES? Because their customer base had cut back usage! So, they told us NOT to use water and we didn't. So they RAISED THE RATES higher than if we had continued to 'waste' water (your word, NOT MINE).

Alric,
I LIVE AT A MILE HIGH ALTITUDE IN HIGH PLAINS DESERT. I KNOW EXACTLY what it means to cut back on usage. I've lived in a house whose well NEVER drew more than ten gallons a day. We had to have non potable water trucked in twice a month. We had to have potable water delivered EVERY WEEK. Yah, I got NO IDEA about conserving. You know SO LITTLE about this subject it's scary. And I lived in that house 27 years ago. LONG before you had a clue what water conservation meant.

I have also lived in Austin, Texas. When we moved there, Lake Travis was THIRTY FEET below normal. Islands that NO ONE had seen in twenty years were all over the place. We moved away two years later. It was the WETTEST period Austin had ever experienced. Water was TEN FEET above normal. So over a TWO YEAR PERIOD, the amount of water in Lake Travis changed FORTY FEET. And Lake Travis is HUGE. Go look it up.

And now you want to argue the difference between environment and planet. It's all the same. WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY AGREE OR NOT.

SB71,
Uh, apparently unbeknownst to YOU, businesses STILL ARE dumping crap in places ALL OVER THIS PLANET. Not just here in the US. Are you aware that the largest nickel processing plant is just across the Canadian border? They have been dumping their 'processed' heavy metals into the river that flows by the factory for the PAST 100 YEARS? And the US EPA can NOT get them to bring it under control. And it flows DIRECTLY into the USA.

Back in the early eighties I worked for a company that researched and helped prosecutors bring to justice all sorts of polluters. I remember one job alone where after the company had buried all their hazardous waste, they dropped all their records into the same type of hazardous waste barrels and buried them with the rest of the waste. BIG MISTAKE. When those barrels were discovered, the company I worked for got them. I spent two months, in a laboratory clean room, wearing all the 'safety gear' going through records in a 'positive air flow' cabinet. With all the information I PULLED from those records, the owners went to jail. FOR A LONG TIME. Don't even PRETEND to lecture ME on businesses greed and environmental protection. Again, I've been involved in this type of stuff LONG before you had a clue it was even happening.

And you 'greenies' just HATE discussing all the BAD things happening outside the USA. You REALLY need to get a little more research under your belt before you make such inane statements. Business are GREEDY. It's called capitalism. Kind of what makes the world go round. If it didn't, we would ALL still be riding horses and shoveling horse manure.

Acid rain fell in the USA because Canada refused to get their 'greedy businesses' under control. It caused NUMEROUS forrest to die. It's STILL happening, though at a slower rate after a we finally got Canada to sign a treaty that caused them to put more environmental rules in place. BUT IT STILL IS HAPPENING in the Northeastern part of this country.

And where were all those greenies in Kali when the lights started going out? They were complaining about how their energy was being 'overpriced' by the companies outside of Kali. YET, they also kept the same energy companies from building ANY NEW processing plants for the previous thirty years IN THEIR STATE. Dispite the HUGE INCREASE in their population of their state during that time period. And then they whine, moan and complain when they had rolling brown outs because they couldn't get companies to sell them cheap energy. WAAAH!

Oh, and 'ALL OF A SUDDEN' the oil companies have 'discovered' OIL in the Gulf of Mexico. I grew up in South Texas. I was USED to seeing offshore drilling during the sixties and seventies. And then the greenies stopped most of the exploration in the Gulf. And off the West coast. It's funny that no oil was 'discovered' in the Gulf until CHINA signed a drilling contract with CUBA and started pulling oil out of the Gulf of Mexico, less than a hundred miles from the USA. Then 'ALL OF A SUDDEN' they 'find' oil in the GULF. What crap.

Greenis are STILL whining, moaning and complaining about energy companies wanting to drill in Anwar. Get a grip. It's Alaska. The part they are talking about is approximately 2000 acres that they want to drill on. OUT OF 200 MILLION acres in the ANWAR.

So like I've said ALL ALONG. You 'greenies' need to get a grip. You can't SAVE your way to prosperity. You remind me of Jimmy Carter telling everyone to put on another sweater and turn down your thermostat. For Jimmy and the rest of you greenies - :aetsch:

Consider a little REAL SCIENCE and try, just try to do your research before venting 'your feelings' on these 'touchy feely' subjects. :afraid:

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Its not the same because one is local and one is global. Water 100 miles away doesn't help you when you have no water at your home.

I don't even know how to argue this. Theres a water shortage and you say its ok to just spray it into the street where it will evaporate and probably rain 100 miles away from you.

Sure its ok if your the only one living there but when the next person cant get water because your wasting it on something stupid, then its a problem.

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It's EXACTLY the same. Neither you nor I can control the weather. And regardless of whether I (or anyone else) let the water 'spray into the street' has NOTHING to do with 'the next person can't get water'.

When you can give me ONE EXAMPLE of where ONE PERSON could NOT get water, let me know.

Natural disasters not withstanding.

As usual you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. And apparently either did NOT read what I said or did NOT comprehend it. Because if I DID let the water run in the street down into the sewer system it ends up in ONE of two places. Local streams, which are feeding local lakes. OR into the sewage treatment plant. Where it is treated and sent BACK OUT to be reused again. And again. AND AGAIN.

THERE IS NO WASTE. It's just all you 'greenies' love this touchie feely stuff because you like to feel superior because you are 'saving water'. HORSE HOCKEY.

The guy next door doesn't NEED YOU to tell him (or me) how to run our lives. There is NO water shortage. THERE IS a control issue that will become a problem in the next twenty years or sooner. Funny you don't want to discuss the CONTROL ISSUE EITHER.

Why is that? And WHY is it that you don't understand that short of living in a desert that you are STEALING water from someplace else so a MILLION PLUS PEOPLE can attempt to make a living in a place best suited for spiders and cactus, THERE IS NO WATER SHORTAGE. THERE IS NO WATER BEING WASTED. Except for people that live in places like VEGAS that are sucking down water that they don't have, taking it from places they can't control.

Sounds to me like more WAAAAH from cry babies. I've got an idea. MOVE. Go find a REAL JOB some place where you don't NEED water shipped in to make your life comfortable.

OR BETTER YET, just quit complaining about a bad situation that all the people who live there just make worse on a daily basis.

The day they shut the last casino in Vegas down and all you people go do something PRODUCTIVE will be the day VEGAS quits WASTING WATER.

Clear enough for you?

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I just gave you an example. The water evaporates then rains down 100 miles away. It doesn't go into the sewer or a local river, it goes some place else. That water is gone, it has left the system.

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Alric,
Your example shows exactly HOW LITTLE you know about the sewage system of ANY major system and MOST small towns as well. If it runs down the GUTTER to the sewers in the STREET, that water DOES NOT evaporate - it travels down the sewers, to either a sewage treatement plant or into the environment like the local streams. Or are you trying to say that every city in the US WASTED ALL THAT MONEY BUILDING THOSE SEWAGE SYSTEM? WAAAAAH!!!

Still don't want to discuss the CONTROL OF WATER ISSUE I SEE. Still NO EXAMPLES of even ONE PERSON who did NOT get their water I see. Still don't want to discuss the fact that VEGAS is a desert that STEALS water from OTHER PLACES so you can have swimming pools in every other back yard in VEGAS. You don't even want to discuss the CASINOS and HOW THEY WASTE water with their large fountains, or the river running through another. OR EVEN BETTER, all the water wasted cleaning sheets, towels and other items by guests that comes to your WASTELAND. WAAAAHHH!!

Hey SB71, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CORPORATE GREED? Go talk to ALRIC about all those CASINOS that are stealing money from people on a daily basis. AND STEALING WATER FROM ALL SORTS OF OTHER WESTERN STATES. WAAAHHH!!!!

You 'greenies' crack me up. Don't want to discuss anything but how it's EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAULT. Not yours. Not the business where you work or the city where you live. And then all you can do is whine, moan and complain. WAAAAAHHHH!!!

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hmmm, I have never heard of gutter water going into a sewer system and then on to sewage treatment. In Los Angeles and in my town, street run off goes into storm drains, then maybe into a concrete-channelized stream, then directly into the ocean. I saw one of the sewer pipes at Hyperion Treatment Water Treatment plant when I was kid (Boy Scout tour, I think). That pipe must have been 12 foot diameter (WAG). The sewage was pumped through it so fast, the concrete building this portion was in, .... shook and rumbled. That must have been 45 years ago. No way they could have treated that sewage.

dtnwn

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Duh that is so obvious I didn't think it needed to be explained. What do you think happens when you run a 60 thousand gallon water fountain in 100 degree heat? Its a huge waste.

Also your assuming the water goes down the gutter. I never said anything about pouring water down the gutter, I was talking about spraying water in areas where it just evaporates. It doesn't go any where to be reused, its gone. It rains down 100's of miles away a day later.

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You can force a monkey to dress like a man and you can force the desert to become green buttttttt....... the monkey wasn't meant to dress as a man and the desert wasn't meant to be green.

The above is also a example of what the US is trying to do world wide... leave what is as is because that's what it was meant to be.

What keeps the cycle of life on Earth and humanity is life and death and when you start to mess around with either one nothing but trouble is created.

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That's WHY my front yard looks like THIS:

http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1157687856

Little TINY strip of green. That WE DON'T WATER.